Oblivion:The Great Skill Grind - Revision history

>Whathuh: /* Phase 3 – Underflowing */ Oghma Infinium provides +10 blade/blunt/heavy so these should be maxed anyway without the bonus

2025-04-02T07:07:42Z

Phase 3 – Underflowing: Oghma Infinium provides +10 blade/blunt/heavy so these should be maxed anyway without the bonus

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	\| Argonian		\| Argonian
	\| +5 Illusion, +5 Mysticism, +10 Security		\| +5 Illusion, +5 Mysticism, +10 Security
	\| -		\| +5 Blade
	\| +5 Alchemy, +10 Athletics~~, +5 Blade~~, +5 Hand to Hand		\| +5 Alchemy, +10 Athletics, +5 Hand to Hand
	\| ✘		\| ✘
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	\| Dunmer		\| Dunmer
	\| +10 Destruction, +5 Mysticism		\| +10 Destruction, +5 Mysticism
	\| +5 Light Armor, +5 Marksman		\| +5 Light Armor, +5 Marksman, +10 Blade, +10 Blunt
	~~\| +5 Athletics~~, +10 Blade, +10 Blunt,		\| +5 Athletics
	\| ✘		\| ✘
	\|-		\|-
	\| Imperial		\| Imperial
	\| -		\| -
	\| +10 Mercantile, +10 Speechcraft		\| +10 Mercantile, +10 Speechcraft, +5 Blade, +5 Blunt, +10 Heavy Armor
	\| +5 Blade, +5 Blunt, +5 Hand to Hand~~, +10 Heavy Armor~~		\| +5 Hand to Hand
	\| ✔		\| ✔
	\|-		\|-
	\| Khajiit		\| Khajiit
	\| +10 Acrobatics, +5 Security, +5 Sneak		\| +10 Acrobatics, +5 Security, +5 Sneak
	\| +5 Light Armor		\| +5 Light Armor, +5 Blade
	\| +5 Athletics~~, +5 Blade~~, +10 Hand to Hand,		\| +5 Athletics, +10 Hand to Hand
	\| ✘		\| ✘
	\|-		\|-
	\| Nord		\| Nord
	\| -		\| -
	\| +5 Restoration		\| +5 Restoration, +10 Blade, +10 Blunt, +10 Heavy Armor
	~~\| +5 Armorer~~, +10 Blade~~, +5 Block~~, +10 Blunt, +10 Heavy Armor		\| +5 Armorer, +5 Block
	\| ✔		\| ✔
	\|-		\|-
	\| Orc		\| Orc
	\| -		\| -
	\| -		\| +10 Blunt, +10 Heavy Armor
	\| +10 Armorer, +10 Block~~, +10 Blunt~~, +5 Hand to Hand~~, +10 Heavy Armor~~		\| +10 Armorer, +10 Block, +5 Hand to Hand
	\| ✔		\| ✔
	\|-		\|-
	\| Redguard		\| Redguard
	\| -		\| -
	\| +5 Light Armor, +5 Mercantile		\| +5 Light Armor, +5 Mercantile, +10 Blade, +10 Blunt, +5 Heavy Armor
	~~\| +10 Athletics~~, +10 Blade, +10 Blunt, +5 Heavy Armor		\| +10 Athletics
	\| ✔		\| ✔
	\|}		\|}

>MeemawHustlin: /* Version 2 */

2023-02-16T01:17:54Z

Version 2

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	V2 focused very little on improving the Skill Grind. Optimizing training to avoid more tedious skills was still the main strategy, and the character build and most farming methods remained the same, with a few notable improvements:		V2 focused very little on improving the Skill Grind. Optimizing training to avoid more tedious skills was still the main strategy, and the character build and most farming methods remained the same, with a few notable improvements:

	* Magic spells for passive farming were greatly ~~improving~~, taking advantage of [[Oblivion:Spell Chaining\|Spell Chaining]] and several other in-depth mechanics to utilize the much faster On Touch casting animation while still keeping each spell infinitely castable, all while still not requiring a target.		* Magic spells for passive farming were greatly improved, taking advantage of [[Oblivion:Spell Chaining\|Spell Chaining]] and several other in-depth mechanics to utilize the much faster On Touch casting animation while still keeping each spell infinitely castable, all while still not requiring a target.
	* Armorer was drastically improved, utilizing a new spell that disintegrated the armor repeatedly when chain casted. More in-depth mechanics about Armorer were utilized to make the armor damaging and armor repairing cycles as optimal as possible, including draining armorer before repairing to maximize how many repairs could be gained per cycle.		* Armorer was drastically improved, utilizing a new spell that disintegrated the armor repeatedly when chain casted. More in-depth mechanics about Armorer were utilized to make the armor damaging and armor repairing cycles as optimal as possible, including draining armorer before repairing to maximize how many repairs could be gained per cycle.
	* The Rusty Iron War Axe replaced the Club, making the Blunt grind shorter.		* The Rusty Iron War Axe replaced the Club, making the Blunt grind shorter.

>MeemawHustlin at 02:12, 18 October 2022

2022-10-18T02:12:48Z

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	{\| class="wikitable" style="text-align: center;"		{\| class="wikitable" style="text-align: center;"
	~~\|+ All 21 Skills~~
	\|-		\|-
	! Combat !! Magic !! Stealth		! Combat !! Magic !! Stealth

>MeemawHustlin: /* Overview */

2022-10-18T02:12:37Z

Overview

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	A sub-task of the skill grind is to optimize [[Oblivion:Attribute Allocation\|Attribute Allocation]] to maximize how many character level-ups and therefore training levels we can acquire using the Infinite Level-Up Glitch. This was mathematically solved, but is now considered largely irrelevant due to the implementation of the [[Oblivion:Class Reset\|Class Reset]] glitch.		A sub-task of the skill grind is to optimize [[Oblivion:Attribute Allocation\|Attribute Allocation]] to maximize how many character level-ups and therefore training levels we can acquire using the Infinite Level-Up Glitch. This was mathematically solved, but is now considered largely irrelevant due to the implementation of the [[Oblivion:Class Reset\|Class Reset]] glitch.

			Here is a list of all 21 skills in the game, separated into the three types:

			{\| class="wikitable" style="text-align: center;"
			\|+ All 21 Skills
			\|-
			! Combat !! Magic !! Stealth
			\|-
			\| Armorer \|\| Alchemy \|\| Acrobatics
			\|-
			\| Athletics \|\| Alteration \|\| Light Armor
			\|-
			\| Blade \|\| Conjuration \|\| Marksman
			\|-
			\| Block \|\| Destruction \|\| Mercantile
			\|-
			\| Blunt \|\| Illusion \|\| Security
			\|-
			\| Hand to Hand \|\| Mysticism \|\| Sneak
			\|-
			\| Heavy Armor \|\| Restoration \|\| Speechcraft
			\|}

			''Manually farming skills is largely obsolete at this point, so specific data on how to level these skills manually has been omitted. For an overview of skill experience, refer to this [https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Increasing_Skills UESP article].''

	==Previous Methods==		==Previous Methods==

>Brian Bosch at 17:27, 13 October 2022

2022-10-13T17:27:52Z

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	'''The Great Skill Grind''' is the section of route logic where the player gets the base value of every skill 100+ in order to fulfill the 21 Master Skills statistic ~~requriement~~ in the Accomplishments Tab.		'''The Great Skill Grind''' is the section of route logic where the player gets the base value of every skill 100+ in order to fulfill the 21 Master Skills statistic requirement in the Accomplishments Tab.

	==Overview==		==Overview==

>MeemawHustlin: /* Potential Improvements */

2022-10-08T05:10:12Z

Potential Improvements

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	* The top priority is to find a way to improve the actual character leveling process. The bulk of the skill grind is now the power leveling from 24 up to 145, which is extremely tedious and takes about half an hour.		* The top priority is to find a way to improve the actual character leveling process. The bulk of the skill grind is now the power leveling from 24 up to 145, which is extremely tedious and takes about half an hour.
	** Although unlikely, there may be a way to underflow the character's level somehow, or at least glitch it out in one shot rather than repeatedly performing a glitch over and over.		** Although unlikely, there may be a way to underflow the character's level somehow, or at least glitch it out in one shot rather than repeatedly performing a glitch over and over.
	* Vampirism doesn't consistently develop to stage 100 with the setup we use, even though code analysis suggests it should always work. We need to investigate this further to streamline the setup.		* Vampirism doesn't consistently develop to stage 100 with the setup we use, even though code analysis suggests it should always work. We need to investigate this further to streamline the setup to avoid having to wait extra times.
	* Despite our best efforts to Underflow and Class Reset every skill to 100+, there are a few remaining skills that were unable to be optimized in order to save another 10 minutes:		* Despite our best efforts to Underflow and Class Reset every skill to 100+, there are a few remaining skills that were unable to be optimized in order to save another 10 minutes:
	** There is still one manually farmed skill in the run, which is Alchemy. Ideally, we should find a way to avoid having to do this since it takes 4-5 minutes and is physically taxing on the player.		** There is still one manually farmed skill in the run, which is Alchemy. Ideally, we should find a way to avoid having to do this since it takes 4-5 minutes and is physically taxing on the player.

>MeemawHustlin: /* Phase 3 – Underflowing */

2022-10-08T05:07:09Z

Phase 3 – Underflowing

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	* <u>Race</u> — '''Orc''' since it gets the most unique bonuses in conjunction with the ''Oghma Infinium''.		* <u>Race</u> — '''Orc''' since it gets the most unique bonuses in conjunction with the ''Oghma Infinium''.
	* <u>Gender</u> — Female ''is unchanged since gender has no effect.''		* <u>Gender</u> — Female ''is unchanged since gender has no effect.''
	* <u>Birthsign</u> — The Steed ''is unchanged since it has no effect. We cannot change this from within this instance of the Class ~~Rese~~ anyway.''		* <u>Birthsign</u> — The Steed ''is unchanged since it has no effect. We cannot change this from within this instance of the Class Reset anyway.''
	* <u>Class</u> — A custom class is created with the following:		* <u>Class</u> — A custom class is created with the following:
	** <u>Specialization</u> — '''Combat''' ''to minimize loss of Underflow skills.''		** <u>Specialization</u> — '''Combat''' ''to minimize loss of Underflow skills.''

>MeemawHustlin: /* Logic Structure */

2022-10-08T01:04:01Z

Logic Structure

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	: '''Phase 1 – Vampirism Setup:'''		: '''Phase 1 – Vampirism Setup:'''
	# Acquire the Skeleton Key and Oghma Infinium from doing Daedric Shrine quests.		# Acquire the Skeleton Key and ''Oghma Infinium'' from doing Daedric Shrine quests.
	# [[Oblivion:Class Reset\|Race Reset]] to be a Female Orc.		# [[Oblivion:Class Reset\|Race Reset]] to be a Female Orc.
	# Acquire Porphyric Hemophilia and develop it into stage 25 Vampirism.		# Acquire Porphyric Hemophilia and develop it into stage 25 Vampirism.

>MeemawHustlin: /* Overview */

2022-10-08T01:03:12Z

Overview

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	The Great Skill Grind specifically refers to the section of the run where all remaining skills are farmed up to 100+, but there is another element of the skill grind that occurs throughout the entire run. In current route logic, we have skills that can be passively farmed while playing the rest of the route. These are Acrobatics and the six Magic spell skills. New glitches that have been discovered may make this aspect of the grind obsolete.		The Great Skill Grind specifically refers to the section of the run where all remaining skills are farmed up to 100+, but there is another element of the skill grind that occurs throughout the entire run. In current route logic, we have skills that can be passively farmed while playing the rest of the route. These are Acrobatics and the six Magic spell skills. New glitches that have been discovered may make this aspect of the grind obsolete.

	A sub-task of the skill grind is to optimize [[Oblivion:Attribute Allocation\|Attribute Allocation]] to maximize how many character level-ups and therefore training levels we can acquire using the Infinite Level-Up Glitch.		A sub-task of the skill grind is to optimize [[Oblivion:Attribute Allocation\|Attribute Allocation]] to maximize how many character level-ups and therefore training levels we can acquire using the Infinite Level-Up Glitch. This was mathematically solved, but is now considered largely irrelevant due to the implementation of the [[Oblivion:Class Reset\|Class Reset]] glitch.

	==Previous Methods==		==Previous Methods==

>MeemawHustlin: /* Potential Improvements */

2022-10-08T00:58:51Z

Potential Improvements

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	* We could try dropping the Skeleton Key, then doing a Stealth specialized Class Reset, then pick up the Skeleton Key to go from 96 Security to well over 100. This is similar to sacrificing the Combat skills from Vampirism (effectively still 2 underflow skills wasted since Skeleton still gets 100+ without underflowing) and could potentially lead to a new Race/Class combo that has slightly less grinding since Security not needing to be grinded would replace the Alchemy grind.		* We could try dropping the Skeleton Key, then doing a Stealth specialized Class Reset, then pick up the Skeleton Key to go from 96 Security to well over 100. This is similar to sacrificing the Combat skills from Vampirism (effectively still 2 underflow skills wasted since Skeleton still gets 100+ without underflowing) and could potentially lead to a new Race/Class combo that has slightly less grinding since Security not needing to be grinded would replace the Alchemy grind.

	It is entirely possible that there is no better way mathematically to Class Reset and Underflow our skills, but this is unlikely ~~give~~ that Version 4 was our first attempt at harnessing these glitches.		It is entirely possible that there is no better way mathematically to Class Reset and Underflow our skills, but this is unlikely given that Version 4 was our first attempt at harnessing these glitches.