Oblivion:Map Exploration - Revision history

>MeemawHustlin at 23:19, 18 October 2022

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	The completion of V3 marked what appears to be the maximum potential of this general system, indicating that it was time to completely rethink how we explored the map. Player speed was incredibly slow for how much map there was to cover, and things like fall damage made the exploration tedious and inefficient.		The completion of V3 marked what appears to be the maximum potential of this general system, indicating that it was time to completely rethink how we explored the map. Player speed was incredibly slow for how much map there was to cover, and things like fall damage made the exploration tedious and inefficient.

			==Current Method==

			==Potential Improvements==

>MeemawHustlin: /* Overview */

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Overview

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	Although previously considered part of Map Exploration, other objectives such as getting the 9 [[Oblivion:Greater Powers\|Wayshrines]], closing [[Oblivion:Oblivion Gates\|Oblivion Gates]], and all the outdoor [[Oblivion:The Nirnroute\|Nirnroot]] are no longer included in this section.		Although previously considered part of Map Exploration, other objectives such as getting the 9 [[Oblivion:Greater Powers\|Wayshrines]], closing [[Oblivion:Oblivion Gates\|Oblivion Gates]], and all the outdoor [[Oblivion:The Nirnroute\|Nirnroot]] are no longer included in this section.

			===Movement Optimizations===

			Map exploration poses several movement problems that need to be optimized:

			# Given the large size of the map, '''movement speed''' is the top priority.
			#* The '''setup time''' for getting a large amount of movement speed needs to be reduced as much as possible.
			#* The '''refresh time''' for reapplying speed buffs needs to be reduced as well. Depending on the strategy, the setup and refresh time might be the same exact process.
			#* The '''duration''' per cycle of buffing movement speed is challenging to improve given that custom spells only last a maximum of 2 minutes. [[Oblivion:Glitch Hunting\|Glitch Archaeologists]] have discovered a spell duration bug that may prove useful.
			# The map has a very uneven terrain, resulting in fall damage extremely often.
			#* This means that '''max health''' needs to be sufficient for tanking very large amounts of fall damage at a time.
			#* The frequency of smaller fall damage also means that we need a system of '''health restoration'''.
			#* '''Fall damage reduction''' could also be a factor, although Acrobatics is not effective at reducing fall damage, so some other method would have to be discovered for this to be viable.
			# The map's uneven terrain also results in several instances where we need to optimize the '''ability to scale steep hills'''.

	===Exploration Strategies===		===Exploration Strategies===
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	This was the setup used to test Horse Vectors prior to a glitch being discovered that could put them out of bounds on the map. The obstacles in the terrain made the vectors near impossible to execute in most cases. This was determined to be not viable.		This was the setup used to test Horse Vectors prior to a glitch being discovered that could put them out of bounds on the map. The obstacles in the terrain made the vectors near impossible to execute in most cases. This was determined to be not viable.

	===MrBosch's Theoretical Ideal===		====MrBosch's Theoretical Ideal====

	*<u>Pathing:</u> Traveling Salesman Theory		*<u>Pathing:</u> Traveling Salesman Theory
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	This setup is theoretically the most optimized strategy, but due to current route logic, it isn't possible to do Simultaneous Forced gate discovery since the main quest is not advanced far enough at the time of map exploration.		This setup is theoretically the most optimized strategy, but due to current route logic, it isn't possible to do Simultaneous Forced gate discovery since the main quest is not advanced far enough at the time of map exploration.

	===~~Movement Optimizations~~===		===Player vs. Horse===

	~~Map exploration poses several movement problems that need to be optimized:~~		With all of the previous information in consideration, here is a summary of optimized tech for horses and players to explore the map.

	~~# Given the large size~~ of the ~~map~~, ~~'''movement speed'''~~ is ~~the top priority.~~
	~~#* The '''setup time''' for getting~~ a ~~large amount~~ of ~~movement speed needs to be reduced as much as possible.~~
	~~#* The '''refresh time'''~~ for ~~reapplying speed buffs needs~~ to ~~be reduced as well. Depending on~~ the ~~strategy, the setup and refresh time might be the same exact process.~~
	#* The '''duration''' per cycle of buffing movement speed is challenging to improve given that custom spells only last a maximum of 2 minutes. [[Oblivion:Glitch Hunting\|Glitch Archaeologists]] have discovered a spell duration bug that may prove useful.
	~~# The map has a very uneven terrain, resulting in fall damage extremely often.~~
	~~#* This means that '''max health''' needs to be sufficient for tanking very large amounts of fall damage at a time.~~
	~~#* The frequency of smaller fall damage also means that we need a system of '''health restoration'''.~~
	~~#* '''Fall damage reduction''' could also be a factor, although Acrobatics is not effective at reducing fall damage, so some other method would have to be discovered for this to be viable.~~
	~~# The~~ map~~'s uneven terrain also results in several instances where we need to optimize the '''ability to scale steep hills'''~~.

	====Horse====		====Horse====
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	* Weakness to Magic 100% for 4 secs on touch		* Weakness to Magic 100% for 4 secs on touch

	Casting two hotkeys of this spell back and forth on Shadowmere results in her having ~950 speed. It was discovered that the normal map exploration limit is approximately 1,000 speed, at which point the game crashes trying to load too many zones at once. ~~See~~ the ~~[[Oblivion:Spell Stacking\|Spell Stacking]] page for info~~ on ~~why this setup works~~.		Casting two hotkeys of this spell back and forth on Shadowmere results in her having ~950 speed. See the [[Oblivion:Spell Stacking\|Spell Stacking]] page for info on why this setup works. It was discovered that the normal map exploration limit is approximately 1,000 speed, at which point the game crashes trying to load too many zones at once. Horses normally can't enter a city, but if the player casts a Command Creature spell on their horse and pays a fine/goes to jail while the effect is active, the horse will spawn in the city with the player, allowing them to then go out of bounds to explore the map.

	Horses in general are able to sustain more fall damage than a lower level player, often taking several massive falls before dying. Horses do not regenerate health quickly, and it would be too tedious to manually monitor the horse's health to heal it as we explore. Of all the horses in the game, [https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Horses Shadowmere has the most health] and has a unique ability. Unlike other horses, Shadowmere does not die when she runs out of health, she becomes unconscious. While she is unconscious, the player can put items in her inventory, including potions. When Shadowmere takes damage, she automatically will consume a potion in her inventory that restores health. She also has infinite carry weight, meaning you can put thousands of healing potions on her. This makes her the ideal horse for map exploration because she will heal herself automatically after every fall, and can take significant damage per fall. Even if Shadowmere goes unconscious, you can wait for her to wake up and resume map exploration, so there is much more room for error than with other horses. A small note is that there is a bug with Shadowmere's potion drinking mechanic. In situations where she is wakes up from being unconscious, you may have to quicksave/quickload to get her to start drinking potions automatically again.		Horses in general are able to sustain more fall damage than a lower level player, often taking several massive falls before dying. Horses do not regenerate health quickly, and it would be too tedious to manually monitor the horse's health to heal it as we explore. Of all the horses in the game, [https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Horses Shadowmere has the most health] and has a unique ability. Unlike other horses, Shadowmere does not die when she runs out of health, she becomes unconscious. While she is unconscious, the player can put items in her inventory, including potions. When Shadowmere takes damage, she automatically will consume a potion in her inventory that restores health. She also has infinite carry weight, meaning you can put thousands of healing potions on her. This makes her the ideal horse for map exploration because she will heal herself automatically after every fall, and can take significant damage per fall. Even if Shadowmere goes unconscious, you can wait for her to wake up and resume map exploration, so there is much more room for error than with other horses. A small note is that there is a bug with Shadowmere's potion drinking mechanic. In situations where she is wakes up from being unconscious, you may have to quicksave/quickload to get her to start drinking potions automatically again. Despite all of the promising tech, Shadowmere is acquired incredibly late into the [[Oblivion:Dark Brotherhood\|Dark Brotherhood]] questline, making her unlikely to be useful since the map needs to be explored as early as possible.

	====Player====		====Player====

			The player is significantly more fluid to control compared to the horse's tank controls, but requires more steps to set up spell stacks on. The player cannot apply Weakness to Magic stacks to themselves unless they reflect the spell off of a creature first using Reflect Spell.

	==Previous Methods==		==Previous Methods==

>MeemawHustlin: /* MrBosch's Theoretical Ideal */

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MrBosch's Theoretical Ideal

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	*<u>Gate Closing:</u> Delayed		*<u>Gate Closing:</u> Delayed

	This setup is theoretically the most optimized strategy, but due to current route logic, it isn't possible to do Simultaneous Forced gate discovery ~~due to~~ the main quest not ~~being~~ advanced far enough at the time of map exploration.		This setup is theoretically the most optimized strategy, but due to current route logic, it isn't possible to do Simultaneous Forced gate discovery since the main quest is not advanced far enough at the time of map exploration.

	===Movement Optimizations===		===Movement Optimizations===

>MeemawHustlin: /* Movement Optimizations */

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	===Movement Optimizations===		===Movement Optimizations===

	Map exploration poses several problems that need to be optimized:		Map exploration poses several movement problems that need to be optimized:

	# Given the large size of the map, '''movement speed''' is the top priority.		# Given the large size of the map, '''movement speed''' is the top priority.
	#* The '''setup time''' for getting a large amount of movement speed needs to be reduced as much as possible.		#* The '''setup time''' for getting a large amount of movement speed needs to be reduced as much as possible.
	#* The '''refresh time''' for reapplying speed buffs needs to be reduced as well. Depending on the strategy, the setup and refresh time might be the same exact process.		#* The '''refresh time''' for reapplying speed buffs needs to be reduced as well. Depending on the strategy, the setup and refresh time might be the same exact process.
	#* The '''duration''' per cycle of buffing movement speed is challenging to improve given that custom spells only last a maximum of 2 minutes. Glitch Archaeologists have discovered a spell duration bug that may prove useful.		#* The '''duration''' per cycle of buffing movement speed is challenging to improve given that custom spells only last a maximum of 2 minutes. [[Oblivion:Glitch Hunting\|Glitch Archaeologists]] have discovered a spell duration bug that may prove useful.
	# The map has a very uneven terrain, resulting in fall damage extremely often.		# The map has a very uneven terrain, resulting in fall damage extremely often.
	#* This means that '''max health''' needs to be sufficient for tanking very large amounts of fall damage at a time.		#* This means that '''max health''' needs to be sufficient for tanking very large amounts of fall damage at a time.
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	====Horse====		====Horse====

	Horse optimizations were effectively solved, with little more foreseeable room for improvement. Given the larger potential of player movement, this section is ~~largely~~ here for posterity.		''Horse optimizations were effectively solved, with little more foreseeable room for improvement. Given the larger potential of player movement, this section is mainly here for posterity.''

	~~=====Movement Speed=====~~		Horses were initially considered for improving map exploration because of the [[Oblivion:Crack Horse\|Crack Horse]] glitch and their ability to scale steep hills by slightly turning left and right. Since horses gain a much larger speed boost per point of speed compared to the player, their setup/refresh time is shorter than buffing player speed. By using Weakness to Magic Stacking, a horse can have its speed exponentially increased in only a handful of casts. The setup uses the following spell, which we make two copies of:

	Horses were initially considered for improving map exploration because of the Crack Horse ~~Glitch~~. Since horses gain a much larger speed boost per point of speed compared to the player, their setup/refresh time is shorter than buffing player speed. By using Weakness to Magic Stacking, a horse can have its speed exponentially increased in only a handful of casts. The setup uses the following spell, which we make two copies of:

	* Fortify Magicka 100 pts, 4 secs on self		* Fortify Magicka 100 pts, 4 secs on self
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	* Weakness to Magic 100% for 4 secs on touch		* Weakness to Magic 100% for 4 secs on touch

	Casting two hotkeys of this spell back and forth on Shadowmere results in her having ~950 speed. It was discovered that the normal map exploration limit is approximately 1,000 speed, at which point the game crashes trying to load too many zones at once.		Casting two hotkeys of this spell back and forth on Shadowmere results in her having ~950 speed. It was discovered that the normal map exploration limit is approximately 1,000 speed, at which point the game crashes trying to load too many zones at once. See the [[Oblivion:Spell Stacking\|Spell Stacking]] page for info on why this setup works.

	~~The Fortify Magicka effect allows us to infinitely cast these two spells back and forth by taking advantage of Spell Chaining mechanics. The Fortify Speed effect is~~ the actual desired buff we are applying to Shadowmere. The Fortify Restoration effect makes the spell cost less to cast, helping with spell chaining. Finally, the Weakness to Magic effect makes every subsequent cast of the spell more powerful. The 3 point Speed buff and 100% Weakness to Magic each amplify each time, with the Weakness to Magic effect recursively increasing in percent. Two instances of the spell are needed since a single spell would reset its own effects instead of amplifying them.

	~~=====Fall Damage=====~~

	Horses in general are able to sustain more fall damage than a lower level player, often taking several massive falls before dying. Horses do not natural regain health quickly, and it would be too tedious to manually monitor the horse's health to heal it as we explore. Of all the horses in the game, [~~https://en.uesp.net/wiki/~~Oblivion:~~Horses Shadowmere has the most health~~] and has a unique ability. Unlike other horses, Shadowmere does not die when she runs out of health, she becomes unconscious. While she is unconscious, the player can put items in her inventory, including potions. When Shadowmere takes damage, she automatically will consume a potion in her inventory that restores health. She also has infinite carry weight, meaning you can put thousands of healing potions on her. This makes her the ideal horse for map exploration because she will heal herself automatically after every fall, and can take significant damage per fall. Even if Shadowmere goes unconscious, you can wait for her to wake up and resume map exploration, so there is much more room for error than with other horses.

	A small note is that there is a bug with Shadowmere's potion drinking mechanic. In situations where she is wakes up from being unconscious, you may have to quicksave/quickload to get her to start drinking potions automatically again.

	~~=====Scaling Hills=====~~

	Horses ~~were considered~~ for map exploration because ~~of their ability~~ to ~~scale steep hills~~. ~~At these higher movement speeds,~~ a ~~horse can easily scale the steepest hills~~. In situations where ~~the horse~~ is ~~stuck~~, ~~slightly turning left and right repeatedly results in the horse moving up the hill~~ again.		Horses in general are able to sustain more fall damage than a lower level player, often taking several massive falls before dying. Horses do not regenerate health quickly, and it would be too tedious to manually monitor the horse's health to heal it as we explore. Of all the horses in the game, [https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Horses Shadowmere has the most health] and has a unique ability. Unlike other horses, Shadowmere does not die when she runs out of health, she becomes unconscious. While she is unconscious, the player can put items in her inventory, including potions. When Shadowmere takes damage, she automatically will consume a potion in her inventory that restores health. She also has infinite carry weight, meaning you can put thousands of healing potions on her. This makes her the ideal horse for map exploration because she will heal herself automatically after every fall, and can take significant damage per fall. Even if Shadowmere goes unconscious, you can wait for her to wake up and resume map exploration, so there is much more room for error than with other horses. A small note is that there is a bug with Shadowmere's potion drinking mechanic. In situations where she is wakes up from being unconscious, you may have to quicksave/quickload to get her to start drinking potions automatically again.

	====Player====		====Player====

>MeemawHustlin at 22:54, 18 October 2022

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>MeemawHustlin: /* Strategies */

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Strategies

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	* <u>Curved Vector Theory:</u> The idea that creating large sweeping paths that are largely straight will give the best of the other theories: The limitless pathing possibilities of Traveling Salesman and the semi-autonomous results of Vectors.		* <u>Curved Vector Theory:</u> The idea that creating large sweeping paths that are largely straight will give the best of the other theories: The limitless pathing possibilities of Traveling Salesman and the semi-autonomous results of Vectors.

	===Speed Boost Strategy===		====Speed Boost Strategy====

	Options for achieving high movement speed are broken down into two main categories:		Options for achieving high movement speed are broken down into two main categories:
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	** The horse uses tank controls, so it takes forever to turn and face a new direction, making it more ideal for Vectors/Curved Vectors than Traveling Salesman.		** The horse uses tank controls, so it takes forever to turn and face a new direction, making it more ideal for Vectors/Curved Vectors than Traveling Salesman.

	===Map States===		====Map States====

	Additionally there is the concept of “Out of Bounds in a City” exploration vs. normal exploration:		Additionally there is the concept of “Out of Bounds in a City” exploration vs. normal exploration:
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	** Getting out of bounds from different city cells results in slightly different results. Although it may be placebo, it feels like some cells result in flatter terrain than others. Some city cells have the terrain fully visible, while others have no visible terrain, making navigation much harder.		** Getting out of bounds from different city cells results in slightly different results. Although it may be placebo, it feels like some cells result in flatter terrain than others. Some city cells have the terrain fully visible, while others have no visible terrain, making navigation much harder.

	===Random Gate Discovery Strategy===		====Random Gate Discovery Strategy====

	The process of discovering Random Oblivion Gates can vary as well, and would affect pathing:		The process of discovering Random Oblivion Gates can vary as well, and would affect pathing:
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	** Random Gates could appear incidentally if the player does not explore out of bounds, making this process not entirely consistent in combination with that strategy.		** Random Gates could appear incidentally if the player does not explore out of bounds, making this process not entirely consistent in combination with that strategy.

	===Gate Closing Strategy===		====Gate Closing Strategy====

	Finally, there is the decision to close Oblivion Gates as we find them, or to ignore all of them until the end:		Finally, there is the decision to close Oblivion Gates as we find them, or to ignore all of them until the end:

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	Although previously considered part of Map Exploration, other objectives such as getting the 9 [[Oblivion:Greater Powers\|Wayshrines]], closing [[Oblivion:Oblivion Gates\|Oblivion Gates]], and all the outdoor [[Oblivion:The Nirnroute\|Nirnroot]] are no longer included in this section.		Although previously considered part of Map Exploration, other objectives such as getting the 9 [[Oblivion:Greater Powers\|Wayshrines]], closing [[Oblivion:Oblivion Gates\|Oblivion Gates]], and all the outdoor [[Oblivion:The Nirnroute\|Nirnroot]] are no longer included in this section.

			===Exploration Strategies===

			There are many facets to the options the player has when exploring the map, each with their own pros and cons in relation to each other.


	==Previous Methods==		==Previous Methods==
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	==Strategies==		==Strategies==

	===Pathing Strategy===		====Pathing Strategy====

	[[File:Ob_Map_Vectors.png\|400px\|thumb\|Calculated vectors programmatically generated by JustAFatYeti. Red circle regions are exclusionary zones that vectors cannot pass through.]]		[[File:Ob_Map_Vectors.png\|400px\|thumb\|Calculated vectors programmatically generated by JustAFatYeti. Red circle regions are exclusionary zones that vectors cannot pass through.]]
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	[[File:Ob_Map_Curved_Vectors.jpg\|400px\|thumb\|A potential curved vector path made by whathuh.]]		[[File:Ob_Map_Curved_Vectors.jpg\|400px\|thumb\|A potential curved vector path made by whathuh.]]

	“Modern” map exploration methods are ~~broken down into several categories of thought~~:		“Modern” map exploration methods utilize advanced pathing setups rather than aimless wandering. Here are the various options that have been proposed:

	* <u>Vector Theory:</u> The idea that running in calculated, straight lines will eliminate the tedium of map exploration and make it ~~more consistent overall~~.		* <u>Vector Theory:</u> The idea that running in calculated, straight lines will eliminate the tedium of map exploration and make it almost entirely autonomous.
	* <u>Traveling Salesman Theory:</u> The idea that vectors have too much backtracking, and that manually exploring in an optimized path will yield the fastest time.		* <u>Traveling Salesman Theory:</u> The idea that vectors have too much backtracking, and that manually exploring in an optimized path will yield the fastest time.
	* <u>Curved Vector Theory:</u> The idea that creating large sweeping paths that are largely straight will give the best of the other theories: The limitless pathing possibilities of Traveling Salesman and the semi-autonomous~~/consistent~~ results of Vectors.		* <u>Curved Vector Theory:</u> The idea that creating large sweeping paths that are largely straight will give the best of the other theories: The limitless pathing possibilities of Traveling Salesman and the semi-autonomous results of Vectors.

	===Speed Boost Strategy===		===Speed Boost Strategy===
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	* <u>Player Spell Stacking:</u> Using a series Weakness to Magic spells reflected off of a summon, you can stack massive amounts of spell magnification onto yourself, resulting in a Speed spell on self that makes you move incredibly fast and an Endurance spell that makes you able to tank fall damage.		* <u>Player Spell Stacking:</u> Using a series Weakness to Magic spells reflected off of a summon, you can stack massive amounts of spell magnification onto yourself, resulting in a Speed spell on self that makes you move incredibly fast and an Endurance spell that makes you able to tank fall damage.
	** The player is more easily controlled ~~and can farm skills while exploring,~~ making them ideal for Traveling Salesman.		** The player is more easily controlled than a horse making them ideal for Traveling Salesman.
	** The player spell stacking setup is ~~longer and~~ more complex than the horse spell stacking strategy.		** The player spell stacking setup is more complex than the horse spell stacking strategy, requiring more spell effects to be acquired.
	* <u>Horse Spell Stacking:</u> Horses have an unusually high movement speed per point of speed and can tank fall damage naturally, so stacking Weakness to Magic on a horse and using a Speed spell on it will give it massive movement speed boosts relatively quickly.		* <u>Horse Spell Stacking:</u> Horses have an unusually high movement speed per point of speed and can tank fall damage naturally, so stacking Weakness to Magic on a horse and using a Speed spell on it will give it massive movement speed boosts relatively quickly.
	** The horse can scale steep slopes incredibly fast.		** The horse can scale steep slopes incredibly fast.
	** The horse uses tank controls, so it takes forever to turn and face a new direction, making it more ideal for Vectors/Curved Vectors than Traveling Salesman.		** The horse uses tank controls, so it takes forever to turn and face a new direction, making it more ideal for Vectors/Curved Vectors than Traveling Salesman.
	** The horse spell stacking is much less complex than the current player spell stacking method, requiring less total setup time.

	===Map States===		===Map States===
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	* <u>Simultaneous Forced:</u> Random Oblivion Gate locations are checked as you go, forcing them to spawn by entering/exiting the loading zone until all 40 random gates appear.		* <u>Simultaneous Forced:</u> Random Oblivion Gate locations are checked as you go, forcing them to spawn by entering/exiting the loading zone until all 40 random gates appear.
	** We have a map of locations that exist near Oblivion Gates that can be used to enter/exit until the first 40 Random Gates spawn.		** We have a map of locations that exist near Oblivion Gates that can be used to enter/exit until the first 40 Random Gates spawn.
			** Entering/exiting a location would reset the out of bounds map state, forcing the player to clip out of bounds in a city again.
	* <u>Separate Forced:</u> Random Oblivion Gate locations are checked entirely separate after finding all of the other locations, forcing the first 40 to spawn by entering/exiting the loading zone until they appear.		* <u>Separate Forced:</u> Random Oblivion Gate locations are checked entirely separate after finding all of the other locations, forcing the first 40 to spawn by entering/exiting the loading zone until they appear.
	** ~~A problem with this strategy is that some of the~~ Random Gates could appear incidentally ~~during~~ the ~~regular exploration~~, making this process not entirely consistent.		** Random Gates could appear incidentally if the player does not explore out of bounds, making this process not entirely consistent in combination with that strategy.

	===Gate Closing Strategy===		===Gate Closing Strategy===
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	* <u>Instant:</u> Close Oblivion Gates as you encounter them during the regular exploration.		* <u>Instant:</u> Close Oblivion Gates as you encounter them during the regular exploration.
	** This could interrupt the flow of certain strategies, such as Vector Theory.		** This could interrupt the flow of certain strategies, such as Vector Theory and out of bounds exploration.
	** This helps us avoid losing track of which Gate markers we’ve already closed or not.		** This helps us avoid losing track of which Gate markers we’ve already closed or not.
	* <u>Delayed:</u> Close Oblivion Gates after finding all of the locations.		* <u>Delayed:</u> Close Oblivion Gates after finding all of the locations.
	** Allows us to use the ~~Fevus~~ Gate ~~Glitch, which allows~~ us to guarantee the gate layout of every random realm gate.		** Allows us to use the new Oblivion Gate glitches that allow us to guarantee the gate layout of every random realm gate and teleport directly to them.

	As you can see, there are tons of considerations and possible method combinations when developing the optimal strategy for exploring the map.		As you can see, there are tons of considerations and possible method combinations when developing the optimal strategy for exploring the map.

>MeemawHustlin: /* Overview */

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Overview

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	# Due to new discoveries with [[Oblivion:Oblivion Gates\|Oblivion Gates]], we do not need to discover the location of Random Gates or Fixed Gates (aside from Kvatch Gate) during the main part of Map Exploration, as they will automatically be discovered later with a glitch setup.		# Due to new discoveries with [[Oblivion:Oblivion Gates\|Oblivion Gates]], we do not need to discover the location of Random Gates or Fixed Gates (aside from Kvatch Gate) during the main part of Map Exploration, as they will automatically be discovered later with a glitch setup.

	Although previously considered part of Map Exploration, other objectives such as getting the 9 [[Oblivion:Greater Powers\|Wayshrines]], ~~the 7~~ [[Oblivion:~~Greater Powers~~\|~~Heaven Stones~~]], and all the outdoor [[Oblivion:The Nirnroute\|Nirnroot]] are no longer included in this section.		Although previously considered part of Map Exploration, other objectives such as getting the 9 [[Oblivion:Greater Powers\|Wayshrines]], closing [[Oblivion:Oblivion Gates\|Oblivion Gates]], and all the outdoor [[Oblivion:The Nirnroute\|Nirnroot]] are no longer included in this section.

	==Previous Methods==		==Previous Methods==

>MeemawHustlin: /* Previous Methods */

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Previous Methods

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	===Version 1===		===Version 1===

	The V1 system of exploration was to simply follow an online map using hotkeyed Skooma. There was ~~not~~ routing, locations ~~were~~ picked up randomly in an improvised fashion. ~~We opted for~~ the ~~strategy of closing~~ Oblivion Gates as they were discovered. ~~This~~ proved very problematic for several reasons:		The V1 system of exploration was to simply follow an online map using hotkeyed Skooma. There was no routing, with locations being picked up randomly in an improvised fashion. All the Wayshrines were discovered during this section, and Oblivion Gates were closed as they were discovered. The V1 strategies proved very problematic for several reasons:

	* The original location count on the UESP was off by one, fixed gate locations were not known to exist, and the map we used had too many additional pieces of information.		* The original location count on the UESP was off by one, fixed gate locations were not known to exist, and the map we used had too many additional pieces of information.
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	* The grid system helped give the runners a more systematic approach to map exploration, although it was still very vague and required the players to improvise the order they tackled sectors.		* The grid system helped give the runners a more systematic approach to map exploration, although it was still very vague and required the players to improvise the order they tackled sectors.
	* The random Oblivion Gates that didn’t spawn by the end of the route were still difficult to track down at the end.		* The random Oblivion Gates that didn’t spawn by the end of the route were still difficult to track down at the end.
			* Wayshrines were still integrated into this section rather than being collected when already at nearby locations later.

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	* The player still died extremely easily from fall damage.		* The player still died extremely easily from fall damage.
	* The grid system was still vague and inefficient.		* The grid system was still vague and inefficient.
			* Wayshrines were still integrated into this section rather than being collected when already at nearby locations later.

	The completion of V3 marked what appears to be the maximum potential of this general system, indicating that it is time to completely rethink how we ~~explore~~ the map. Player speed is incredibly slow for how much map there is to cover, and things like fall damage ~~make~~ the exploration tedious and inefficient.		The completion of V3 marked what appears to be the maximum potential of this general system, indicating that it was time to completely rethink how we explored the map. Player speed was incredibly slow for how much map there was to cover, and things like fall damage made the exploration tedious and inefficient.

	==Strategies==		==Strategies==

>MeemawHustlin: /* Overview */

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Overview

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	The goal is to discover all of the locations on the map as quickly as possible, but some aspects of this will change depending on route logic:		The goal is to discover all of the locations on the map as quickly as possible, but some aspects of this will change depending on route logic:

	# We will likely have to ignore Bruma Gate until it is discovered during the [[Oblivion:Bruma Gate\|Bruma Gate]] quest since that quest cannot be reach early in the run~~. This means we will almost always be aiming to discover 366 locations instead of 367 in any form of route logic~~.		# We will likely have to ignore Bruma Gate until it is discovered during the [[Oblivion:Bruma Gate\|Bruma Gate]] quest since that quest cannot be reach early in the run.
	# We may or may not have quest progress advanced far enough in [[Oblivion:Lifting the Vale\|Lifting the Vale]] that Serpent’s Trail and all other Oblivion Gates are discoverable by the time we do map exploration.		# We may or may not have quest progress advanced far enough in [[Oblivion:Lifting the Vale\|Lifting the Vale]] that Serpent’s Trail and all other Oblivion Gates are discoverable by the time we do map exploration.
	# Due to new discoveries with [[Oblivion:Oblivion Gates\|Oblivion Gates]], we do not need to discover the location of Random Gates or Fixed Gates (aside from Kvatch Gate) during the main part of Map Exploration, as they will automatically be discovered later with a glitch setup.		# Due to new discoveries with [[Oblivion:Oblivion Gates\|Oblivion Gates]], we do not need to discover the location of Random Gates or Fixed Gates (aside from Kvatch Gate) during the main part of Map Exploration, as they will automatically be discovered later with a glitch setup.