Oblivion:Greater Powers - Revision history

>MeemawHustlin at 05:20, 18 October 2022

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	'''Greater Powers''' are the eight unique spells the player must acquire from Heaven Stones and Wayshrines as per the [[Oblivion:Overview\|requirements]] for 100% completion.		'''Greater Powers''' are the eight unique spells the player must acquire from Heaven Stones and Wayshrines as per the [[Oblivion:Overview\|requirements]] for 100% completion. They can be viewed at the top of the leftmost tab in the Magic Menu.

	==Overview==		==Overview==

>MeemawHustlin: /* Overview */

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Overview

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	\| Sithian Web \|\| Sithian Stone \|\| 40 \|\| ''SSW of Mongrel's Tooth Cave. No overlapping logic.''		\| Sithian Web \|\| Sithian Stone \|\| 40 \|\| ''SSW of Mongrel's Tooth Cave. No overlapping logic.''
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	\| Skein of Magnus \|\| Magnus Stone \|\| 50 \|\| ''SE of Haunted Mine near the Drunken Dragon Inn during [[Oblivion:Next of Kin\|Next of Kin]]. Not truly overlapping.''		\| Skein of Magnus \|\| Magnus Stone \|\| 50 \|\| ''SE of Haunted Mine near the Drunken Dragon Inn during [[Oblivion:Next of Kin\|Next of Kin]]. '''Not truly overlapping.'''''
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	\| Shield of Shezarr \|\| Shezarr Stone \|\| 60 \|\| NNE of Telepe during [[Oblivion:Knights of the White Stallion\|Knights of the White Stallion]].		\| Shield of Shezarr \|\| Shezarr Stone \|\| 60 \|\| NNE of Telepe during [[Oblivion:Knights of the White Stallion\|Knights of the White Stallion]].

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Potential Improvements

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	* In general, Heaven Stones interfere with the scheduling of other quests since we have to wait until night time to activate them, while most quests are done during the day. Optimizing wait times via [[Oblivion:Time Warping\|Time Warping]] will likely solve this problem.		* In general, Heaven Stones interfere with the scheduling of other quests since we have to wait until night time to activate them, while most quests are done during the day. Optimizing wait times via [[Oblivion:Time Warping\|Time Warping]] will likely solve this problem.
	** It may potentially save more time to round up all the Heaven Stones at once in a way that no wait time manipulation is required if no tech is discovered to optimize waiting.		** It may potentially save more time to round up all the Heaven Stones at once in a way that no wait time manipulation is required if no tech is discovered to optimize waiting.
			* [[Oblivion:The Arena\|The Arena]] and [[Oblivion:Oblivion Gates\|Oblivion Gates]] are a large source of [[Oblivion:Fame\|Fame]], but Infamy could also be acquired early on from a large bounty, possibly during [[Oblivion:Gold Farming\|Gold Farming]].

>MeemawHustlin at 04:58, 18 October 2022

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	\| Jode's Blood \|\| Jode Stone \|\| 30 \|\| ESE of Troll Candle Camp during [[Oblivion:Marksman Training\|Marksman Training]]. '''''This timing doesn't work in current logic.'''''		\| Jode's Blood \|\| Jode Stone \|\| 30 \|\| ESE of Troll Candle Camp during [[Oblivion:Marksman Training\|Marksman Training]]. '''''This timing doesn't work in current logic.'''''
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	\| Sithian Web \|\| Sithian Stone \|\| 40 \|\| SSW of Mongrel's Tooth Cave. No overlapping logic.		\| Sithian Web \|\| Sithian Stone \|\| 40 \|\| ''SSW of Mongrel's Tooth Cave. No overlapping logic.''
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	\| Skein of Magnus \|\| Magnus Stone \|\| 50 \|\| SE of Haunted Mine near the Drunken Dragon Inn during [[Oblivion:Next of Kin\|Next of Kin]].		\| Skein of Magnus \|\| Magnus Stone \|\| 50 \|\| ''SE of Haunted Mine near the Drunken Dragon Inn during [[Oblivion:Next of Kin\|Next of Kin]]. Not truly overlapping.''
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	\| Shield of Shezarr \|\| Shezarr Stone \|\| 60 \|\| NNE of Telepe during [[Oblivion:Knights of the White Stallion\|Knights of the White Stallion]].		\| Shield of Shezarr \|\| Shezarr Stone \|\| 60 \|\| NNE of Telepe during [[Oblivion:Knights of the White Stallion\|Knights of the White Stallion]].

>MeemawHustlin: /* Potential Improvements */

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Potential Improvements

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	** We have too low of Renown when we go to Bleak Flats cave during [[Oblivion:Skingrad Recommendation\|Skingrad Recommendation]], forcing us to backtrack there later.		** We have too low of Renown when we go to Bleak Flats cave during [[Oblivion:Skingrad Recommendation\|Skingrad Recommendation]], forcing us to backtrack there later.
	** We have too low of Renown when we go to Lake Arrius Caverns during [[Oblivion:Dagon Shrine\|Dagon Shrine]], forcing another backtrack there later.		** We have too low of Renown when we go to Lake Arrius Caverns during [[Oblivion:Dagon Shrine\|Dagon Shrine]], forcing another backtrack there later.
			** '''We should be able to get the Jode Stone during [[Oblivion:Marksman Training\|Marksman Training]] when we kill Alawen.'''
	* In general, Heaven Stones interfere with the scheduling of other quests since we have to wait until night time to activate them, while most quests are done during the day. Optimizing wait times via [[Oblivion:Time Warping\|Time Warping]] will likely solve this problem.		* In general, Heaven Stones interfere with the scheduling of other quests since we have to wait until night time to activate them, while most quests are done during the day. Optimizing wait times via [[Oblivion:Time Warping\|Time Warping]] will likely solve this problem.
	** It may potentially save more time to round up all the Heaven Stones at once in a way that no wait time manipulation is required if no tech is discovered to optimize waiting.		** It may potentially save more time to round up all the Heaven Stones at once in a way that no wait time manipulation is required if no tech is discovered to optimize waiting.

>MeemawHustlin: /* Overview */

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Overview

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-Here is a list of all the Heaven Stones and their nearest locations:
+Here is a list of all the Heaven Stones for each Greater Power, along with their required Renown, and their nearest locations:
 ==Previous Methods==

>MeemawHustlin at 04:43, 18 October 2022

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 * Seven of the powers are obtained from a Heaven Stone, with each power only have one stone on the map that it can be obtained from.
-* One power is obtained by completing the Pilgrimage of the Nine Divines, which requires the player to visit all nine of the Wayshrines, with each wayshrine having multiple possible locations.
+* One power, '''Pilgrim's Grace''', is obtained by completing the Pilgrimage of the Nine Divines, which requires the player to visit all nine of the Wayshrines, with each wayshrine having multiple possible locations.
-Wayshrines can only be activated if the player has at least 1 [[Oblivion:Fame|Fame]], and Heaven Stones can only be activated if it is between 6pm and 6am and the player has enough combined Fame and Infamy. This combined value is called Renown, and it is different for each Heaven Stone.
+Wayshrines can only be activated if the player has at least 1 [[Oblivion:Fame|Fame]], and Heaven Stones can only be activated if it is between 6pm and 6am and the player has enough combined Fame and Infamy. This combined value is called Renown, and the required amount is different for each Heaven Stone. Note that you do not need to be hit by the spell the Wayshrines shoot at you for that Wayshrine to count towards the Pilgrimage.
-Here is a list of all the Wayshrines and their nearest locations:
+Here is a list of all nine of the Wayshrines required to obtain '''Pilgrim's Grace''', along with their nearest locations:
 Here is a list of all the Heaven Stones and their nearest locations:

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'''Greater Powers''' are the eight unique spells the player must acquire from Heaven Stones and Wayshrines as per the [[Oblivion:Overview|requirements]] for 100% completion.

==Overview==

There are eight total Greater Powers that need to be acquired, which are obtained from the following sources:

* Seven of the powers are obtained from a Heaven Stone, with each power only have one stone on the map that it can be obtained from.
* One power is obtained by completing the Pilgrimage of the Nine Divines, which requires the player to visit all nine of the Wayshrines, with each wayshrine having multiple possible locations.

Wayshrines can only be activated if the player has at least 1 [[Oblivion:Fame|Fame]], and Heaven Stones can only be activated if it is between 6pm and 6am and the player has enough combined Fame and Infamy. This combined value is called Renown, and it is different for each Heaven Stone.

Here is a list of all the Wayshrines and their nearest locations:

Here is a list of all the Heaven Stones and their nearest locations:

==Previous Methods==

===Version 1 to 3===

In the first three versions of the route, Wayshrines were acquired all at once during [[Oblivion:Map Exploration|Map Exploration]], and Heaven Stones were acquired separately just before starting the [[Oblivion:The Great Skill Grind|Skill Grind]] since we would be guaranteed to have enough Renown by the end of the run.

==Current Method==

As of Version 4, Wayshrines and Heaven Stones are acquired during other route logic when they are nearby. In most cases, we have enough Renown to get each Heaven Stone as we go to its nearest location during certain quests. Refer to the chart above for more info.

Wayshrines were going to be used to improve [[Oblivion:Map Exploration|Map Exploration]] via the [[Oblivion:Crack Horse|Crack Horse]] glitch, but this has since been obsoleted by [[Oblivion:Spell Stacking|Spell Stacking]].

==Potential Improvements==

* The Jode Stone, Sithian Stone, Atherius Stone, and Dragon Stone all have to be acquired arbitrarily by fast traveling to a nearby location. Ideally, these would be collected during other quests.
** We have too low of Renown when we go to Bleak Flats cave during [[Oblivion:Skingrad Recommendation|Skingrad Recommendation]], forcing us to backtrack there later.
** We have too low of Renown when we go to Lake Arrius Caverns during [[Oblivion:Dagon Shrine|Dagon Shrine]], forcing another backtrack there later.
* In general, Heaven Stones interfere with the scheduling of other quests since we have to wait until night time to activate them, while most quests are done during the day. Optimizing wait times via [[Oblivion:Time Warping|Time Warping]] will likely solve this problem.
** It may potentially save more time to round up all the Heaven Stones at once in a way that no wait time manipulation is required if no tech is discovered to optimize waiting.